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Hello All

I am new and about to purchase a Jaguar. I was really keen to get the sound of my friend's quite new CP Jaguar, which had that distinctive overchime that I can't get on my Strat copy or my solid bodied Gretsch. Sometimes it sounds like 2 guitars playing at the same time and it takes me back to my favourite indie bands of the 90s. So even though it is a new Jaguar, to me it sounds similar to the sounds of the 90s bands.

However, his is a bit unreliable in its electronics. I was attracted by the Blacktop HH as it was cheap and seemingly robust out of the box no mods required. But I worried that it was not the same as my mate's whose had the trem arm and no humbuckers.

And the forums go onto say the Blacktop HH does not give the classic Jaguar sound. And this put me off it.

But then I watched this video. And between 30 and 48 seconds, I hear that overchime that, to me, is the distinctive jaguar sound.

http://www.gearwire.com/fender-blacktop-jaguar-hh-video-demo.html

So, even though it has different circuitry, switches, bridge and pickups, and I assume a different angle for the strings, and not the same distance between saddle and tailpiece, it still has the sound. Yet noone in forums etc seem to think it sounds like a Jaguar!

So my question; is the critical design factor (to get that chime in the video) the long distance between the saddle and the tailpiece that is common in all Jags?

And my other question; is my idea of the Jaguar sound different to everybody else's?

Cheers,

Rich

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The sound of the Jag versus a Strat comes from the bridge(Which most people swap out, so you can kind of discount this) and the Trem unit. That Jag has nothing in common with a real Jag except the scale length.

Where the "overchime" may be coming from is the presence of 1M Pots. Strats tend to have 250k pots, which is why Jags sound harsh for some people.

If the HH has fairly bright Humbuckers and 1M pots, that could be where it's coming from. The break angle on the HH is also similar to the CP Jag, which is where some of the sound comes from(The CP's is a little closer, so it may be a little less "Jaggy").

I don't know why you expected the HH to sound like a Jag anyway? If you want a HH that sounds like a jag, try the Classic Player HH(I don't know what was wrong with your friends electronics, usually they're fine), but you'll probably need to experiment with pickups until you find one that sounds like a Jag split. Jag pickups are fairly identical to Strat ones though(again, the 1M Pots, Bridge, Trem Unit, Electronics and possibly all the metal on the body are where it gets it's sound), so it's probably not that hard.

Some humbuckers can still be pretty Chimey or Jangly. I have a First Act Sheena and it's pretty good for that.

http://www.box.net/shared/2mvi3tv89x

http://www.box.net/shared/cnzpyrr0yl (towards the end)

You might want to try a Vox TB type amp, that can brighten anything up.

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